Adversity As Opportunity

Setbacks have a way of feeling personal. In the moment, it feels like life is taking something from you. But what if adversity is actually revealing something you need to see?

In this episode of The Heavyweight Collective, the crew sits down for a powerful roundtable conversation about resilience, loss, personal growth, and the lessons hidden inside difficult seasons. From everyday stress to life-changing setbacks, the discussion explores how pressure exposes habits, relationships, faith, discipline, and the parts of ourselves we often avoid examining when life feels comfortable.

The conversation also dives into grief, healing, and the reality that strength often isn't visible until you've been forced to survive something hard. Along the way, the crew explores what asking for help really looks like, why rejection can become redirection, and how growth often requires letting go of old identities.

If you've ever felt stuck in a difficult season or wondered why adversity keeps showing up, this episode offers perspective, honesty, and a reminder that you still get to choose what your struggles produce.

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Transcript

Adversity As Hidden Opportunity

SPEAKER_04 0:00

Nobody asks for hardship, disappointment, loss, rejection, or failure. But some of the most important opportunities in life arrive disguised as adversity. The problem is that adversity rarely feels productive while you're inside of it. It feels unfair. It feels inconvenient. It feels like life is delaying you or punishing you or taking something away. Only later do you realize the struggle exposed your strength, redirected your path, sharpened your character, and forced you to build something you would have never created while comfortable. This is

Holiday Banter And Life Updates

SPEAKER_04 0:44

episode 246 of the Heavyweight Collective. I'm your host, Mo Sharon. Back again with this lady and these two guys go ahead and say your names.

SPEAKER_01 0:53

I'm Sharon. You know what's tight about Mo Sharon? Because it's even Mo. Sharon. I just got that. I like it.

SPEAKER_00 1:07

Umkbang McFly. Mkbang.

SPEAKER_04 1:11

All right. Mukbang? And you are, sir?

SPEAKER_00 1:13

You gonna see me?

SPEAKER_03 1:15

Oh, Chip, Chip McFadden.

SPEAKER_04 1:17

Chip McFadden. Okay. Who's the guy on your shirt?

SPEAKER_03 1:21

Oh, these are my uh relatives. They play football. Why McFadden? Chip McFadden? Yeah. That's my name. I don't know. That's what's wrong with my name.

SPEAKER_04 1:32

Okay. Uh uh.

SPEAKER_01 1:34

Life's good.

SPEAKER_04 1:35

I hope everybody had had a good fourth. How's your week? How'd you been doing since the last time we've been here? Tell me what's what's what's what's good.

SPEAKER_03 1:44

Shit. Happy birthday. Happy birthday.

SPEAKER_04 1:48

Boy, let's give her some clubs for the birthday.

SPEAKER_01 1:54

Week's been good. Life has been good.

SPEAKER_04 1:57

Did you turn up?

SPEAKER_01 1:58

You know.

SPEAKER_04 2:00

Because she said she liked routine, so she never turned up.

SPEAKER_01 2:03

Nice dinner.

SPEAKER_04 2:04

You stay going somewhere nice for dinner, nigga. I'll be seeing your story. No, that's what look. If y'all I can't say if y'all follow her because you got a request. If if she blessed you with her presence.

SPEAKER_01 2:15

Top blessed. Amen.

SPEAKER_04 2:17

You'll see that this nigga's always somewhere.

SPEAKER_01 2:19

No, I'm not. No, I don't even be posted everywhere.

SPEAKER_04 2:23

Exactly. Fly your week.

SPEAKER_00 2:26

Our week was good. Uh short weeks. Short weeks of work.

SPEAKER_04 2:29

Feel good, don't it? Yes.

SPEAKER_00 2:31

And um eating the same generic shit at every barbecue. Sounds so why do black people do that? Huh?

SPEAKER_01 2:40

Wait, what? Eat what?

SPEAKER_00 2:41

Chicken and chicken quarters or uh because chicken quarters are cheap, nigga.

SPEAKER_01 2:47

That's why.

SPEAKER_04 2:52

And you're getting a leg and a thigh at the same time.

SPEAKER_01 2:54

They didn't do no hotlings?

unknown 2:55

No.

SPEAKER_00 2:58

That's burgers, hot dogs.

SPEAKER_03 3:00

You nah. I'm not even gonna let you. You can't let I'm not gonna let you slide with that. Because from what you're telling me, the chicken quarters lets me know what kind of burgers you're talking about. These ain't the juicy meat.

SPEAKER_01 3:15

American cheese. Hold the cheese on mine. I don't want no American cheese.

SPEAKER_03 3:20

You could cook those just on the on the sidewalk.

SPEAKER_01 3:24

Y'all are stupid.

SPEAKER_03 3:25

Oh week was a week. It's there, you know. We just reviving with living. Living out in the desert, you know, just doing some stargazing. Just pick a little staycation, you know, Indio. You know what I'm saying? You went to death? Yeah, but you just go 150? Go get in the pool and just lay in the pool. Lay in the bathtub. And then you gotta run back to the room. But you know what? Our brother is cheaper.

SPEAKER_02 3:52

Crazy.

SPEAKER_03 3:52

That's why I go to the desert fabrication.

SPEAKER_00 3:55

If you live in Indio, all you do is stay in the AC. You said meth, I said fucking. There's a lot, there's a high population of S T D uh, they probably do a lot of mouth.

SPEAKER_03 4:08

Uh, you know, what's that place? Desert Hot Springs, Cathedral City, all that they do a lot of that up there. I didn't know that until yeah, it's like gay San Diego. I like it. It's cool.

SPEAKER_04 4:17

It's cool. A little pretentious, huh? Yeah. My week was cool, man. I spent my fourth in the desert as well. I was in the great city of northern Vegas, away from the strip.

SPEAKER_01 4:31

That's scary.

SPEAKER_04 4:32

With my brother.

SPEAKER_01 4:33

Damn.

SPEAKER_04 4:34

I went to my brother's house, and you know, as always, we did all the cooking women live. I don't go outside. Um, it was great. I got to see my mom because my mom lives in Vegas now. So I this was probably the first time I had a holiday with my mom in a couple years, so that was good. Um, you know, we we did short rib, short ribs. I I don't like doing traditional food. I'd be like, nigga, what I'm I don't feel like goddamn burgers and shit. I won't. So we did we we we did short ribs with some mac and cheese and greens. We did nigga food with some yams.

SPEAKER_03 5:09

What's the man?

SPEAKER_04 5:10

Come bread.

SPEAKER_00 5:11

You start channeling the crumps.

SPEAKER_01 5:13

To be fair, you feel like yeah, that's some big shit. We don't really celebrate the like. The holiday. We just eat. And this year, my daughter, it was my daughter's party, so it really wasn't no type of fourth action. Yeah. Yeah, that's just funny. I mean, I will say. So it's my work. Yeah, it'd always be funny.

SPEAKER_04 5:35

Oh, nigga, they were they would light that shit up.

SPEAKER_01 5:37

But you don't, but you're not gonna come to my house and see any of my family, you're not gonna see the red, white, and blue decorations. I'm American, but I'm okay. I'm black first. All right.

When Setbacks Invite Reinvention

SPEAKER_04 5:49

I want y'all to keep this in mind, okay? Keep this question in mind. I don't I don't I don't want y'all to answer it, just keep it in mind. I was like, it says, don't answer it. It says, what if the situation you keep, um I'm sorry, what if the situation you keep calling a setback is actually an invitation to become someone different?

SPEAKER_01 6:08

Amen. Just keep that.

SPEAKER_04 6:09

I don't want you to ask that answer, right?

SPEAKER_01 6:11

I ain't no answer.

SPEAKER_04 6:11

That's the stick. And then so now we're going. This this is round table. No, I'm I'm not gonna say no names this episode. We do a little different, okay? Was there ever a moment when something falling apart force you to finally make a necessary change?

SPEAKER_03 6:26

I mean, uh now gotta think about what that moment could have been, because I mean, obviously. Yeah, like yeah, okay, definitely.

SPEAKER_04 6:34

Can you recognize opportunity um when you are experiencing adversity? Or does that or are or does that understanding usually come after later on? Answer any of those two.

SPEAKER_01 6:49

So the second question, can you recognize opportunity when it's whatever? Um two part for for me. Like, I think that I've had so many of those situations where now I'm ready to pull the lesson before I allow that I take over.

SPEAKER_04 7:07

So you see something.

SPEAKER_01 7:08

I'm yeah, I've been through some shit. Um, but and the reason why I break it up like that, because I don't want to just sound like, oh yeah, I don't it's no, it's because I had to go through a lot of stuff. And now where I'm at in my life, like as soon as something don't go right, I just kind of be like, all right, pay attention. You know, it's it's not going good. And you can sit in the feeling of it not going good, but you can also already be in the process of learning your lesson or in the process of what you're supposed to take from this, or maybe you need to pivot, and it's because you need to get up out of a situation or something like that.

SPEAKER_04 7:43

So I will say for me, because of things that that has happened in my life, you know, over the last couple of years, and this nigga, Mr. Positivity over here, I always look at a situation as okay, what the fuck can I learn from this? Have to yeah, you you you posit all the goddamn time. I so I look at the situation like what can I learn? What where did I fuck up and what can I do better to not fuck up in the future? That's how I look at it. So I don't, I don't, don't worry, don't worry. Sometimes I still crash out because I'm like, God damn, you know, something else.

SPEAKER_01 8:18

Yeah, not for real.

SPEAKER_04 8:18

But I but I do have that thought process in my mind. Okay, now what am I supposed to get out of this? Like, what is what is my lesson to learn here?

SPEAKER_01 8:25

We're still human. I think that, and I think a lot of times when you get into a place of starting to heal or you start to be on a journey, um, you can get, you feel like that may be a setback. If you feel like you crash out, or for me, I my if my emotions take over, then if you're that type of person, you can feel like, oh my gosh, I've done so much work. Like, why is this happening? Because we're still human. We're still gonna have the human reactions to things. So there's nothing wrong with you immediately having the human reaction to something. But then it's like, okay, now that you've had that, sit in it, and what are you gonna take from it?

SPEAKER_00 8:58

For sure. What was the question?

SPEAKER_04 9:02

Which one do you want? The first or the second one?

SPEAKER_00 9:04

This is the second one.

SPEAKER_04 9:05

Uh, can you recognize opportunity while you are experiencing adversity? Or does that or does that understanding come later? So can you do you see it in the moment or do you see it after the moment has passed?

SPEAKER_00 9:13

It's always circumstantial, but I've had situations in both where I've had uh things have uh presented themselves, and I'm like, shit, that's a perfect chance to do this. And then I've had it to where it's been something where in the moment I'm like, fuck, dude. And then eventually you're like, wait a minute, though. Like you start seeing as you pointed out, the silver lining of it of that actually worked out in my favor. Like I didn't see it in the moment, but this is actually a dope reason to do this now. Um, but yeah, I've I've had both. I can't remember exact situations, but I know I've dealt with both, and and it does. I I feel like everything happens for reasons, you just gotta be able to uh open your mind up to see what the reason was. And don't be wombie.

SPEAKER_01 10:03

Mr.

SPEAKER_00 10:04

Wendell and then crash that up the damn I am sick of it.

SPEAKER_04 10:09

You okay?

SPEAKER_01 10:12

Exactly. I'll be acting like I'm crazy.

SPEAKER_04 10:15

Uh was there ever a moment when something falling apart forced you to finally make a necessary a necessary uh necessary change?

Falling Apart That Forces Evolution

SPEAKER_04 10:23

God damn it, yes together. So has has something ever happened in your life where it forces you to change?

SPEAKER_03 10:30

Yeah, but I don't know, is it like I think you do the change so you don't necessarily fall apart, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 10:38

That's a good perspective.

SPEAKER_03 10:41

So it forced evolution. Yeah. Yeah, like there's definitely shit where it's been like, damn, nigga. You don't fix this, this is going real big real quick. But yeah, it's uh I think life does that before you put your what they say, your big boy pants on at some point, or you just choose to go down that road. Like it's still a choice, I think. Because it's like here's the fork in the road, which way you're gonna go. So early on, I'm glad I went the way I went instead of Franklin. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 11:18

I can say, I can say I it I've I've definitely had that moment where it it made the role stop. And um when I went through what I went through, shit, what I'm still going through, it it it allowed me to actually see all the stuff I was avoiding to look at. And so, and then it also the silver lining in that was it it gave me the time to process and start dealing with the small fires that was that was feeding the larger fire. Yeah. So um in the moment, you know, the shit sucked. I mean, it still sucked. The the impact it's had um negatively, but there there are there are positives to it. And so also if I I I take it as it was a situation that had to happen for me to to evolve.

SPEAKER_03 12:06

Did it make you see? Did you feel like that before that you was just running with your blinders on then? It wasn't not necessarily on purpose.

SPEAKER_04 12:15

No, it was going back to what McFarl was saying last episode. I was just so focused on providing. Yeah, I gotta make X amount, I gotta be at this location at this time, I gotta make sure she has this, I gotta make sure she has that, I gotta make sure the house has this. So going back to it was going back to that, and then going back to what also what I said, like I never I didn't have time to put into me because all of my energy was going to, okay, I gotta be at work so that they can have this. And that was that was my cycle. That was my cycle. So, and then when that was when that when that was interrupted, that allowed me, that afforded, I'm not gonna say allowed, that afforded me the time to focus on me. And that's what that's when the change happened. So it was it was a good change.

SPEAKER_01 12:54

Yeah, I I think that like even in small from a spa small standpoint, I think that God has a whale. Um, I always tell people, like, I if I get sick, because I'm hardly ever sick, if I get a cold or anything like that, um, because I can go, you know, my immune system is good. I'm go, go, go, go, go. And I'm doing all of the things and I'm and I'm wearing all the hats. And then, you know, and my body, and it's really like science, because your body, when you're when you've been doing too much, your immune system will get weak. So whenever I find myself sick to the point where I cannot go anymore, I just sit in that because I'm like, oh, I needed to sit down, basically.

SPEAKER_03 13:39

I'm not good at that.

SPEAKER_01 13:41

Um same. Sorry, it got crazier.

SPEAKER_03 13:44

Yeah, uh it's the uh work, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:47

So the same thing, like from a larger spectrum of what you're saying, Mo, like you will get slowed down sometimes because I will change the pace of what we have going on because you need to see it from this perspective, and now you're able to be more, you know, where you need to be. And and sometimes it has to happen.

SPEAKER_04 14:05

Yeah, because you know, uh, you know, oftentimes adversity reveals what comfort conceals. Comfort

Comfort Versus Complacency Under Pressure

SPEAKER_04 14:11

can make you can make us believe we're stronger, more disciplined, more prepared, or more emotionally mature than what we are, and then the pressure reveals the truth. Adversity exposes our habits, insecurities, coping mechanisms, relationships, faith, discipline, and ability to adapt. So, my question to you all is what did your hardest season reveal about you that you did not previously know?

SPEAKER_03 14:39

Well, I want to change the comfort in that to complacency. Is that too? Well, comfort complacency is comfortable. I get what I was thinking about. It's okay to be comforted, like we all need to comfort.

SPEAKER_04 14:55

Uh but what did your hardest season reveal about you?

SPEAKER_03 14:58

I think you didn't know all of them fucking that I I don't know, can there's those moments where it's like when shit happens, you're like, what is all this for? But I don't know, it just proved to me that you can go on and get better. Like, even if shit is fucked up, it's not all the way fucked up. I still got breath, so I I don't know. Resiliency, I guess. That's the word told me it just don't stop.

SPEAKER_01 15:26

Because you made it through.

SPEAKER_03 15:27

Yeah, don't stop. Cause you can always just sit down and just soak and shit, you know what I mean? But gotta keep trucking. You get a time. I think you get a time. Like, because I did I again, like on everything, I guess I've had to force myself to like feel the emotions of stuff, as opposed to just trucking, because like that's what you're taught so much is just your truck along, truck along, truck along. But it's like sometimes you gotta stop and like just take it and like deal with it, and then it's part of your life now. But it's part of your story to where it's like it just you can. It's like don't give up. So I think it's resilience.

SPEAKER_01 16:06

One of my hardest seasons, I've had plenty, but to start, I think my first hardest season was when my dad passed away. Um, and it didn't come till later, the revelation of it, but I I realized about myself that I couldn't do what I'm not I don't have the human design to do what people say. So, for example, I remember when my dad first passed away, by me being so young, a lot of the advice looked like, or a lot of the way people place themselves in my life, it looked like keeping me busy, keeping me happy, um, you know, buying me things, all of those things. Like, let's just make sure she's happy. Let's let's take her mind off the fact that she just lost her favorite person in the world. You're still happy. And years later taught me, and it's still a foundation for me what I go through. I'm gonna sit in some shit. If if I'm feeling away, I am going to completely sit in it. And I learned that through that. And I learned it years later. It wasn't even that I learned it like right immediately, I learned it far into my adulthood because I started to have moments where I was really messed up at the fact that I didn't have a dad. And I'm like, how am I this messed up at 25? When I was 16, I was I was all right, you know what I mean? But I wasn't all right. I had all of those, it was being placed in front of me to cope, cope, cope. And I realized, like, no. So as in my adulthood, I take that lesson and that's how I apply it. If something is happening, I fully submerge myself in whatever the emotion is of what's occurring, and I allow it to do what it needs to do. I don't like to, oh, I'm gonna make myself happy today. I'm gonna know if I'm not happy, I'm not happy. And that and that's all it is to it. So that's that's kind of what that taught me. And then just to not listen to people, to be honest, because that all stems from people telling me, oh, you really need to just go hang out with your friends, you really need to do this, and the way I run my life now, it it doesn't go off of how people are giving the advice to be.

SPEAKER_03 18:08

I don't think when things like I don't like when people project the way they do things and things of stuff like that, especially like with death of like somebody so close is when they tell you how it's to feel and or what you need to do. And it's like, like I've always just been like, all I can do is be there for you. I don't know what you're going through and shit like that.

SPEAKER_01 18:28

So let them take the lead. Or what what do you need?

SPEAKER_03 18:31

I don't know. People are crazy with that.

SPEAKER_01 18:33

Yeah, and that's another aspect of it. I'm glad you said that because that's another thing. When I deal with someone who has lost someone, even though I know what works for me for some people, it may work for you to on your days when you're sad, you need to make yourself happy. So I I give my experience, but I always try to meet that person where they need to be.

SPEAKER_00 18:53

Yeah. Uh it showed me how strong I was mentally that I didn't realize. Uh because I've had a couple couple of times. Uh one was uh recent with uh just dealing with stuff with the house, and the other one was when I lost my dad, but it was things where I had to learn. Um I didn't I learned uh forcibly how strong I was and and uh how I dealt with those situations. Because when it's happening, you go, What the fuck am I gonna do? And then eventually you realize that it's happening, and whether you accepted it or not, you just you're you're now forced to deal with it.

SPEAKER_04 19:31

And um the crane's moving, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:33

And you just realize, damn, afterwards, damn, I'll I I I dealt I dealt with that. I did that shit. That was me. Like, and you realize how strong you were when you thought you weren't capable of that. So um they're just showing me how strong I was mentally that I didn't think I was.

Weakness We Must Confront

SPEAKER_04 19:48

So what weakness has a difficult situation forced you to confront?

SPEAKER_01 19:54

Like weakness that we have that we possess? With personal research.

SPEAKER_04 19:57

I know for me personally, um, there

Communication And Knowing Your Needs

SPEAKER_04 20:00

was a time in my life where I was forced to learn how to communicate more effectively in my relationship. Um, it got to a point to where I couldn't, uh too many things were unsaid that had to be said. And you know, so I was basically forced to start being comfortable with the uncomfortable because you know, I'm pretty I'm pretty sure as we all know, it's the uncomfortable situations and conversations that really push growth. And so that that that's what I I had to properly identify my needs. I feel like because it was a it was a weird it was a weird thing. As as a I feel like as men, I don't know about you, Sean, but I feel like as men, we don't really know we don't really know what we need because we never really think about what we need. We think about what we have to do. We never really think about what help looks like for us. So I there was a situation to where I actually had to, I had this amazing partner that was trying to help me, and I didn't even know how to, I didn't even know how to tell her how to help me. So I had to, I had to, I had to learn how to analyze myself and identify exactly what it is that I actually feel I need. So I think that that's that's my answer.

SPEAKER_01 21:16

Um

Asking For Help Without Shame

SPEAKER_01 21:17

I kind of go with asking for help. Um it's weird when I when I it's funny because like from my experience, when I hear you guys, especially when men talk about just being providers and being, you know, all of the thing, I always relate it to like just because I I fully am uh a woman, right? I I do all of the things of a woman's nature. But I always find myself because I'm the adult in my househ in my household, I have to assume those roles. You know what I mean? I'm 100% the provider, I'm 100% the protector. I am, you know, I even be and because I'm raising girls, I find myself doing things. Like I'll open it, I always open the doors for my girls because I still want them to know, you know, like in that situation, yeah, I'm not trying to be masculine, but I'm being the adult. And I'm letting you know that somebody's supposed to open the door for you, you know, and so I do those types of things. Um, so it gets heavy for me because I am such a feminine woman, um, but I'm assuming these roles. So the midpoint for me is what I need to ask. And that's where I fault a lot of times. And I'm the one that feels the impact of my fault. Um, and my kids feel the impact of my fault because if I'm not okay, my kids ain't gonna be okay. And I had a situation, well, not a situation, just the way the times were like when I first moved to Corona um prior to that, we always lived five to six miles radius between where I worked, where we lived, where my kids went to school. So the commute from the pickup and all of that was like that, you know, pick everybody up, now we're back home. And now we went to a 20-minute drive when there's no traffic. So, really, we taking, you know, all this time to get home. I'm coming home, I'm tired, I'm I'm more drained than what I would usually be. And that was just a crazy time in my life. Like when I first moved out there, because I'm working nine hours a day, you know, eight, nine hours a day. Now I pick all my kids up, and it was really rough. And that was a time um, my cousins didn't even realize they I cried because they had came over one day and my backyard was a mess. We had a dog for a little bit, and the backyard was literally a mess, and I couldn't get myself to just go clean it up. And they were there and they probably was just like, oh, it's a mess back here. And they cleaned it up. And when I came home, I wasn't because I was just like, oh my God, I was so grateful. But then that's when I realized like that was something simple. Like, I should have been asked for help. I should have been like said, like, hey, like, you know, next time you're there or something like that. So that's something that I learned, like that was a weakness for me. And sometimes it still is. Um, but I'm quicker to ask for help now. I don't want to, even though I have to assume all of these roles, um, regardless, I'ma still, you know, I don't have to be. I gotta hold it down. Like, you know, no, I'm gonna ask somebody for help if I need it.

SPEAKER_04 24:21

Reply?

SPEAKER_00 24:23

Question again, please. I sit there lost in the thought.

SPEAKER_04 24:26

No problem. What weakness has a difficult situation forced you to finally confront?

SPEAKER_00 24:33

I think it's uh the the uh at times is the fear of being um an adult at times, like uh as far as like a parent.

SPEAKER_01 24:41

Terrifying.

SPEAKER_00 24:41

Like so, like there's times where I'm being presented situations with the kids and um thinking, fuck, like what have my dad done in this situation? And am I living up to that? And like, like for example, with uh Ava and she was struggling in school and I did the parent-teacher conference. And I could tell the teacher wasn't expecting to see me because they usually see her mom. But in that situation, the reaction that I had was I think kind of like a breath of fresh air for Ava and the teacher because I I presented it in a different sense where I'm more of a um I don't knock Ava in the sense of like if I know she's not doing right, I don't I'm not gonna like criticize her or scrutinize her in public, but I I gave her a look when the teacher said, you know, what she had been doing, and I gave her a look and I said, You know what you're capable of. And she looked at me, she said, I know that. I'm like, not doing this again, right? She said, No. I said, Okay. And then the teacher looked at me and she was like, Well, you know, maybe you can. I was like, I already like she knows what she's capable of. And it was one of them things where I at that moment I didn't know that was gonna happen when I was presented it, you know what I'm saying? But my brain took it there, and it was just kind of like an understanding. Uh, and I I felt like I channeled my dad in a way. Um, but it was more or less my dad would have just like, oh, when we get home, we're gonna have a talk. Like that, but for me, it was like it wasn't even needing to talk, it was just the understanding, like you know what you're doing, and you know what you need to be doing. But it was just the look and the understatement and a quick statement, and she said, I know. And then when we walked out, I said, You know what you're capable of. She's like, Yeah, I know, dad. And within a couple of months' time, her grades improved. And by the time she had been promoted, she had like shot up like exponentially. Like, and it was just one of the things where it was I was worried, but then I there's just the understanding of not knowing something, and then because you think maybe we haven't had that kind of talk yet, and then when that talk was presented, it was like okay, she she understands where dad's coming from, she knows I don't play about that. So um, yeah, that that's a fear, fear of uh, or or thinking I was gonna not be prepared for that or adequately equipped for that situation, and it worked out fine. I worked out great, actually.

unknown 27:13

Mr.

SPEAKER_04 27:14

Wendell?

SPEAKER_03 27:15

Um, I suppose I would say I'm thinking back to I'll just say to speak up for myself. Because uh when you don't, other people control the narrative, and that's sometimes it gets fucked up. So I've had like uh moments, I'm thinking back to like my Navy time and some shit happened, and I was like, how the fuck are these motherfuckers gonna say that about me? And I I may have spoken a little too much up for myself, but I didn't get in trouble.

SPEAKER_05 27:48

But it's a sad thing, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:52

When you lose money, yeah, but I didn't lose no money.

SPEAKER_01 27:54

So that's true.

SPEAKER_04 27:56

Uh it's funny you said that, Kevin, because I just you said that I thought about when we're all over here, when you made the brisket recently, and we're all over here, and I said, God damn, it was a lot of people here. And uh somebody, I don't know, has said something, and you said, Oh nigga, we not doing that. And I looked, I said, That nigga meant that like he was smiling and laughing, but he meant that, like, that's not happening. I said, I thought that was funny.

SPEAKER_03 28:19

So, I mean, you I mean, it took a lot to learn that though, man. Like, especially like I remember I don't even remember what the fuck they were saying, but I was just like, so these motherfuckers are just lying on me, like straight up.

SPEAKER_04 28:32

Sometimes

Familiarity, Ego, And Starting Over

SPEAKER_04 28:33

adversity closes a door, we should have remained behind forever. Losing a position, relationship, friendship, or opportunity may force us to imagine a life we are too comfortable to pursue voluntarily. The enemy comes as an opportunity to rebuild with greater intention. So, Sharon, have you ever stayed in a situation simply because it was familiar?

SPEAKER_01 28:58

Yeah, probably. I mean, that probably relationships come into mind. I've stayed, I should, I was in my marriage far longer than I should, and not necessarily be well, yeah, because it was familiar. And it was because it was familiar not only to me, but it was familiar to my to everybody. I felt like, you know, our kids to this day are their step siblings, you know, that my you can't tell my my daughters are throws and um my family was involved and his family was involved. So the that's where the familiar came into place. Um, regardless of what didn't feel good, it was like, okay, but this is what I've already chosen and told myself and everyone else that I'm doing. So that was, you know, one of the primary McFly.

SPEAKER_04 29:50

Uh, what part of your identity had to die before you could grow?

SPEAKER_00 29:53

The ego. Um the the the the guy that wanted to be the rapper so bad that I wouldn't want to do anything to be their rapper. Uh I don't like I love to rap still, I just don't care about the the image of it anymore. If I get the rap cool, if not, fuck it. I care more about being a dad then I can get less nigga that shouldn't rap. Blue face being one of them.

SPEAKER_01 30:18

Do you think that the ego died or just the ego with respect to that?

SPEAKER_00 30:22

Uh I think the ego with respect to that. Um, because it was one of the things it was just when I was young, it was just that's all I was obsessed with was being uh the dopest rapper or uh getting signed or whatever, and it was like that's all I I cared about. Then so when Ava came, it was like I still cared about it. Then it started, you start when you're presented with those realities, you start saying, nigga, someone's gonna have to take a step back. Like and then eventually it was like, yeah, if I can perform, cool. If not, fuck it. And then you just start hitting the point where I really don't give a fuck if I perform again. It's more or less if I get to do some music again, I'm cool with that. But when I see other peers of mine, not to knock any of them, um, when I see peers that are so obsessed with it that they're willing to do anything for it, I can't, I can't knock them. I get it. I've been there. I just there's a bigger thing at play here, and it's my kids.

SPEAKER_04 31:17

Kevin, when um when life forces you to start over, do you rebuild the same life or do you create something completely different? You start fresh and try to take a different path. What do you think?

SPEAKER_03 31:29

I don't know. That's a tough one. I I picked this question.

SPEAKER_04 31:32

You're the free you're you're the free spirit here. So I figured.

SPEAKER_03 31:34

Well, no, I just think because like it depends on how the fuck your crumble was. Because if your crumble was like fucked up, then it's like, nigga, did you have anything good? Because if there was nothing good, don't take none of that shit back. But if there's like some shit that, you know, it just shit didn't work. Sometimes they happen, nigga. Like it didn't work. I tried my damnedest.

SPEAKER_01 31:56

It just didn't work. I feel people always be like, um, I hate when people do this. When it's like someone that someone that's been married before, uh and or someone that's divorced, right? And then like, I'll never get married again.

SPEAKER_04 32:09

And everybody, I'm yeah, I'm married and say, I'm never getting married again.

SPEAKER_01 32:14

Okay, that's you. Um, but I'm like not to the same person, obviously. Not at all. But I would I'm definitely going to get married. But it's just like, I don't know. I think that that's but I'm just piggybacking.

SPEAKER_03 32:30

I wouldn't go with you, probably shouldn't go with the if it's like, oh, you're like the last person.

SPEAKER_01 32:35

Well, no, and that's but that's my point. Like you said, it's just like if some of it is. Well, that's different, but it's just like you don't have to just completely pose yourself off to the idea of something and completely change your life around in a whole nother way.

SPEAKER_00 32:49

Yeah, so okay, so I'm not gonna just you know it's bad when it makes you do the deniro, huh?

SPEAKER_04 32:53

Yeah, you know, so rejection can be redirection.

Rejection As Protection And Redirection

SPEAKER_04 32:59

Uh-huh. Uh rejection also uh often feels personal. We assume we're not talented enough, attractive enough, yeah, qualified enough, for sure, or valuable enough. But sometimes rejection protects us from entering spaces that we were never designed to support who we are becoming. The opportunity may not, I'm sorry, the opportunity may not be the door that closed, the opportunity may be the direction you were forced to take afterwards. So, McFly, what rejection are you now grateful you experience?

SPEAKER_00 33:30

Uh the politics of uh other people's egos. Like uh, because you realize, especially doing music, uh, you realize you're presenting a lot of situations with other people's uh fear of you being better than them or doing better than them. So a lot of opportunities aren't presented. So you at the at the time when it's happening, you might feel jaded, you might feel like what the fuck? But then you realize it's like nigga, I don't want that. I don't want those situations or or things to uh to kind of define me. Like I I've seen too many times where a lot of my my peers uh are obsessed with it, and I would I I actually look at it as a as a blessing because then you also think of if you if you made it to a different standpoint, now you can't go out in public, you can't take a shit in public, you can't do anything in public. So it's like sometimes it worked out in your favor because I dude. I really want that to not be able to do what the fuck I want when I want to.

SPEAKER_04 34:30

Kevin, um, how do you know whether to keep fighting for an opportunity or just accept the fact that time is it's time to move on?

SPEAKER_03 34:40

That all depends on what said opportunity is because as I'm like still trying to go back and play baseball, ship a cell, brother. There's 40 plus leagues right now. Yeah, yeah. Just don't drive. Tell me, tell me how many of them niggas in the in the MLB? None of them, but exactly. That's what I'm talking about. We can play, but I gotta give that up.

SPEAKER_00 35:02

You wouldn't join the banana league or whatever that league is, or you're gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_03 35:05

I actually thought about that, but I'll tell you guys off because I think it's a brilliant idea that could work without me having to be athletic at all. Um, but I think if it's like say even like with comedy for me, I'm getting older, whatever, I'm away from it and not in it, but I don't feel like I can't get back out there and be like, hey nigga, I'm yeah, hey, this me. So I like that.

SPEAKER_01 35:30

It's like you don't, it depends. But you're not still knocking at the door of fame, you're just doing it because you enjoy doing it, right? If unless I feel like pursuing, then I'm like, hey, nigga, let's go play.

SPEAKER_03 35:41

If we're gonna play, but you know, I I know what it goes into. So it's like what you were just talking about. You know what goes into that. Yeah, like you don't just fall into that. Like you don't get to just, oh, I'm gonna go do this every Tuesday. It's like, no, nigga, if you want to try to get to that, you gotta, yeah, you gotta sit first a lot of shit. But maybe I can wait till the kids get older. Uh Bernie Mack was how old when he went out there? Hey, man. You know what I'm saying? So you feel me? So I don't know. Maybe I haven't figured it out yet. That Michael Jordan shit.

SPEAKER_00 36:11

Are you gonna do the airy spears and go do it for shock value?

SPEAKER_03 36:15

No, I'm not gonna do anything like that. Hell no. I got too much respect for the craft. And he could be mad if he ever watches and hear me say that. And you got all them years, but it's like, hey, give me six months, I got you. Don't worry about it, brother. That's a mean one up. Yeah.

Turning Pain Into Purpose Wisely

SPEAKER_04 36:32

Pain often changes what we care about. A person who survives grief and becomes passionate about helping others grieve. Someone who experienced financial hardship may be committed to teaching financial literacy. Someone who felt invisible may create spaces where other people feel seen. The wound can become a doorway to purpose, but only when healing and wisdom are involved. Sharon, can your pain become your purpose without your pain becoming your entire identity?

SPEAKER_01 36:59

I like that. Yeah. And yes, I do think that um as you when you really do the work to heal, you realize you move so far away, but you still have a reverence for this, and having that reverence for whatever the situation, um, if it's your true pathway in life, that may turn into you wanting just like what you were just saying, wanting to help others. So it stems from whatever that pain may have been. Um, it doesn't necessarily mean that you're holding on with, I'm sorry, holding on to with respect to it. So um absolutely, I think that that's something that you could do. I think that that's something that if you are that type of design of person, it's something that you automatically feel like you should do. Like anytime that you've come through something, you're gonna want to shout it from the mountaintops. Hey, I went through that. This is how I got through it. You did this. Yeah, you know, and you want everybody to, when you see somebody going through it, your natural, and again, it comes down to your your human design. And I'm I'm speaking from my own. I want to tell people, like, I did this, this, and this. Like it was great, and and you should try it. Like, you know what I mean? But some people may just kind of be more, I did that, I'm I'm seeing that you're doing it too, you're not really doing it the way you should, but I'm just here and I'm just watching, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 38:21

So I think McWhy do uh people sometimes begin helping others before they have properly healed themselves all the time.

SPEAKER_00 38:28

A lot of people that think they got shit figured out when they don't. So they think, Oh, yeah, let me give this advice, and you actually might be hindering them.

SPEAKER_04 38:35

Yeah, yeah. I think sometimes I I think sometimes people use helping others as healing themselves. Because I felt like it's kind of like the whole the degree of separation thing. It's easier to identify things when it's not happening to you actively when you can see it, then you can apply it. Yeah, so I think I think some people, a lot of times people do that because it it it kind of, I mean, I don't know if it's some some people might do it selfishly, but it kind of aids their healing journey. Yeah, sometimes community, it builds community, it builds community.

SPEAKER_01 39:05

One thing that I like the most about it is it just reveals the different perspectives. So I can go through something, you're gonna go through it differently. And I may take advice in how you went through it because you're a different person than I am. And so, or not even take advice, I may learn something, I should say, um, in observance of how you're going through it. And I'm like, oh, okay. And you know, maybe if this problem presents itself again, I may catalog what you did and and I might try to do that one day.

SPEAKER_03 39:37

Oh shit. I'm sorry, I'm not laughing at it. I'm just laughing in my my brain's foot. I'm just thinking if there's somebody who's like, we know they're just doing it wrong. It's like, do you not tell them? Like, where you're like, hey, everything they're doing is definitely the wrong thing.

SPEAKER_04 39:52

But I see that all the time in the in the gym. I'm like, it's not my place to pray to.

SPEAKER_01 39:57

Backfire though. That can backfire. Like, I've had friends, oh my gosh, where literally I may not, you know, maybe they're having relationship problems or something like that. And my thing, my foundation is in my faith. So I may start sharing podcasts, sharing scripture, sharing this, sharing that, because I'm feeling like, oh my God, this is what brought me through. Here, girl, here, girl. And they don't receive it well, you know, or then they may get to the point where, you know, now they have a different view of you because of that or something, or they just may not agree with it, you know, so that can backfire.

SPEAKER_02 40:35

This shit that's in my head is like somebody go through some shit that like that makes the plane go. I start smoking myth.

SPEAKER_01 40:43

It's like that ain't it. That's not advice that anyone's gonna take.

SPEAKER_04 40:58

I mean, it's funny, but um, you know, opportunity or whatever, the the healing, the process, it that doesn't cancel the pain. It never the pain never really goes away. Um, like I I the conversation I had with McFly when his when his father passed, those those words of encouragement I could give him was because of what I have gone through. And even telling him those words, I I was reliving my moment while telling him the words. So it wasn't that the pain never went away. It was just I was now using my pain to help my friend and let help him understand the gravity of the moment. Because when I went through the moment, I had no one to tell. Um, and it's like the same thing like I told Eddie the Shifter, I said, Man, look, I'm telling you, bro, like you're gonna regret it. Like, fuck this place. This place is gonna be here. Your mama ain't gonna be here forever. Go see your mama. I said, I don't care if you gotta take three years off to be with your mom. If you if you can do it, take that time to be with your mom.

SPEAKER_01 41:56

Well, and then that's grief, though.

SPEAKER_04 41:58

It is grief, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:59

Well, I'm in and I'm gonna get pain from the grief. No, and I get what you're saying. I guess just to clarify, um, because I do think the pain can go away. Grief is different, pain does not leave when it comes to grief, but I meant more like situations. Oh, yeah, oh yeah, yeah. So that's yeah, I just wanted to clarify.

SPEAKER_04 42:16

Okay. Um can can something be but be both deeply deeply painful and and eventually beneficial.

SPEAKER_01 42:24

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 42:26

I'm not talking about we're not talking about childbirth.

SPEAKER_01 42:30

Oh no, I mean, honestly, you guys, I just there's so many things, and and I've said before, and I stand on this, like I am exactly where God wants me in every aspect of my life. That is how I move along. Um, so with that being said, I have been tremendously blessed immediately following a very difficult situation so many times. And I think that that's because when you really are living in the past where you're designed to be, that's what's happening. That's why it's happening. You're letting go of the things that you weren't supposed to have. The way my life turned around after I finally left my ex is not even something that I would even like, not even jokingly. I'm being very serious, like tremendously a whole 180, but just completely different. And I know that that was because I was not where I was supposed to be. And once I got out of that, I found myself into the alignment of where I was supposed to be. And I had just blessings just continue to so, but the painful situation, yeah. Did I want to go through the war or you know, a horrible relationship? No, I didn't, but I had to come through that in order to be, you know, to receive the blessings that I got.

Why People Sabotage Peace

SPEAKER_04 43:54

Some people become accustomed to adversity, their peace begins to feel uncomfortable. They feel only valuable when they are surviving something. That's black folk.

SPEAKER_01 44:04

I think that's men. Fixing something. I think that's men and it's black folk.

SPEAKER_04 44:07

Fixing something are provide are proving someone wrong. Adversity may teach strength, but eventually strength must learn how to exist without constant crisis. McFly, why do some people sabotage peaceful seasons by creating unnecessary conflict?

SPEAKER_00 44:23

You're talking about sabotage, right? Martyrs. Um, I think shit, this almost aligns it with uh what Kevin uh I do think people sabotage the fear of uh just not the fear of failure, but the fear of success, fear of things going too good. Um, because I know in a lot of instances I've seen people literally create chaos because shit just feels like it's going too well. Like, oh, that's the this it can't the shoe other shoe's gonna drop. So fuck before I wait for the other shoe to drop, I'm gonna just make sure it happens myself. It is, and a lot of people do it. I think a lot of people fucking do it. They'll be like, you know what, I gotta I gotta create some sort of chaos because it's it's going too well.

SPEAKER_04 45:02

Yeah, yeah. Kevin, how can um can adversity can adversity become part of a person's identity? I mean, unfortunately, yeah. Yeah, you see niggas always going through the struggle. Every time you talk to them, yeah, you know it's rough, nigga. It's rough every day.

SPEAKER_01 45:15

It's a part of all of our identities, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 45:18

Some niggas take it too far.

SPEAKER_00 45:21

What was that dude from Popeye? Um that always asked for the murder. Wimpy. Yeah, yeah. That nigga created diversity every day. You know, then where you have that money.

SPEAKER_05 45:32

Shut up.

SPEAKER_04 45:34

Sharon, why do some people grow through hardships while others repeat the same cycle?

SPEAKER_01 45:39

I think it's like their their mental capacity. It's like they some people really just don't have it. I I thank God for my mind every day. Because like some people don't have the mind to want to do better, they don't have the mind to pull the lesson, they don't have the mind to seek the answers, they don't have the mind to to sit in it and and understand what it means to really like heal. You know what I mean? And so I don't know. It's just um, I think a lot of people, and I don't want to say it like this, but I am a lot of people are weak-minded and they just want to fall victim to the things that happen and they don't have any desire to do any of the things that I just said. No ambition. No ambition. And it's just like, go ahead.

SPEAKER_04 46:32

Do you guys think that they're scared to make different decisions or that they feel like they made the right decision, but they're outlying outside factors that they didn't account for to change the path of the decision.

SPEAKER_03 46:45

The world needs uh NPCs.

SPEAKER_00 46:49

I think that that's a hell of a way of saying that. They non-playable characters.

SPEAKER_04 46:54

I understood exactly what he meant when he said the shit too.

SPEAKER_00 46:57

This niggas just taking up scenery.

SPEAKER_01 47:01

I think that they don't even begin the first step and even to to provide your analyst of what niggas exactly where they meant to be, as you said.

SPEAKER_03 47:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:12

If that's what your mindset is, that's a hella way. So now we'll be walking around saying, look at this NPC right here. Look at this nigga ain't doing shit. He's just standing there taking up like okay.

When Grace Becomes An Excuse

SPEAKER_04 47:22

Um, I'm I'm I'm gonna ask you all this. Um, I'm gonna answer too. Um, when does giving yourself grace become a an excuse to remain stuck? Like, at what point do you have to do something uncomfortable or or acknowledge the fact that you've been that you've been uh avoiding doing the thing to further along with it?

SPEAKER_03 47:45

Well, if you can acknowledge that, then nigga, it's tough.

SPEAKER_00 47:48

Yeah, if you can I agree if you can acknowledge that because at some point you're gonna realize you're reliving the same thing. At some point, it's like, yo, hey nigga, you just I fucked up. You lying to yourself.

SPEAKER_01 48:02

Yeah, you know, like if you're gonna let you know, it's like if you are a single person, no kids, your parents don't need your help, nobody like you are just you, and you making dumb decisions, from my standpoint, yeah, it could be very dumb. But if you are okay in that dumbness, do you when you walk in and they say so number 14, right?

SPEAKER_04 48:24

Yeah, it's time to make a change. Yeah, what once you go to a fast four fast food restaurant and they know your order before you do, they yeah, it's there's a problem. Oh, you make a change, so like that that's I'm just saying that's an example.

SPEAKER_01 48:38

That's and that's health-wise, so that makes sense, you know.

SPEAKER_04 48:41

So I think there's a I think a lot of times, like we were talking about last episode, a lot of times we do a lot of things just because we're comfortable doing it. And it's it's in where there's comfort, there's safety. And who doesn't want to feel safe? And to go outside the bubble, it's and it's scary. And I know for me personally, I'm I'm not a big fan of change. That's why I have the routine, that's why I get up at this time. I go to bed. I like because there's there's security in the routine. So when you go outside the routine, and when you whether that's uh on a personal level or on a spiritual level, whatever, it's uncomfortable. And so you it, I think the biggest lesson in life really is you have to fall in love and get used to the uncomfortable being uncomfortable because that's the only that's where you grow. You grow in the uncomfortable. Now you could grow the run in the wrong direction, you could become less Lex Luther and go go go backwards, but I mean you still grow, grew one way.

SPEAKER_00 49:35

There's a parallel between Drake and Lex Luther.

SPEAKER_04 49:39

Drake.

SPEAKER_00 49:41

I want to watch that last Superman movie. I said that nigga's doing a lot of Drake shit.

SPEAKER_04 49:47

You ready? You had something to take him?

SPEAKER_03 49:50

No.

SPEAKER_04 49:50

I don't know what it is.

SPEAKER_01 49:52

No.

SPEAKER_00 49:53

Or Victor or Victim 1B. All right, here we go.

SPEAKER_04 49:57

Time

Rapid Fire And Final Takeaways

SPEAKER_04 49:58

to shoot from the hip again. Bang. All right, you can say yes or no, or you can give a short, brief answer. Sharon, we don't want to do dissertation.

SPEAKER_00 50:06

Possibly. Shots fired.

SPEAKER_04 50:09

All right. Um would you rather, McFly, would you rather experience public failure or private disappointment? All day.

SPEAKER_00 50:18

I guess, hmm. All day. Yeah, public failure. I don't easy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 50:26

What if you're disappointing? That's why he said he'd rather do public failure.

SPEAKER_00 50:29

That's just easy.

SPEAKER_04 50:33

I'd much rather let you niggas down than my daughter. It's like, oh what?

SPEAKER_01 50:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 50:37

I didn't uh damn. Like it's like Kevin, what teaches more?

SPEAKER_04 50:43

Success or failure? Uh getting them bucks. That's not the success or success. Success or failure.

SPEAKER_01 50:49

I didn't hear that option. Teaches more?

SPEAKER_03 50:52

Yeah. Well, uh that's tough because sometimes uh you've had some shit where you you've you've succeeded and was like, hell yeah, okay, now I know how to do it. Because I failed at some shit and still had to go learn how to do it. Yeah. But when you failed that what happened when you failed? Did you learn to redo shit? Was it bad? Some things, I'm talking mechanical since so yeah, some things have gone awry where you're like, I'm talking about, oh, we're starting over.

SPEAKER_04 51:24

But I'm asking you, I'm asking you this question on a personal level.

SPEAKER_03 51:27

I know, I know, but it depends though, because there's so many times where it's like you've gone out to do things you didn't think you could do and you succeeded at it. And I feel like there's a huge lesson in that, but the failure part too is like it's all circumstantial. Yeah, because I'll say I'm gonna go success. Rapid fire. I fucked up. Success.

SPEAKER_00 51:45

You could fail at some shit and just never just never do it.

SPEAKER_03 51:48

Is he trying to do this rapid fire?

SPEAKER_00 51:49

Or it's like if you could fail at some shit and then be like, but you could fail at some shit and be permanently whatever, and the only lesson is Well, I I I asked Kevin because you know we thought we were gonna push him to do more, but he he failed at that shit too.

SPEAKER_05 52:07

Yeah, mama is that hurt.

SPEAKER_04 52:11

Ouch. Sharon, have you ever have you ever mistaken a blessing for a setback?

SPEAKER_01 52:17

Mistaking a blessing for a setback? So I thought it was a blessing, but it was a setback.

SPEAKER_04 52:21

Seven.

SPEAKER_05 52:22

Six, five.

SPEAKER_04 52:23

No, you thought it was a setback, but it was a blessing. You could have said it the other way. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 52:27

So yes, okay.

SPEAKER_04 52:29

Is rejection protection every time?

SPEAKER_00 52:34

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 52:35

Always.

SPEAKER_00 52:36

I've said that many a time. Always. I thought at the time when I got rejected that it was a bad thing, but I was like, you save me the fucking headache. Thank you.

SPEAKER_04 52:46

Kevin, can gratitude and grief exist together? Yes.

SPEAKER_01 52:50

Okay, all right.

SPEAKER_04 52:51

Yes, Sharon, what has adversity taught you about yourself?

SPEAKER_01 52:54

There's all that, I mean, that's what's gonna mold me from now. I mean, when it started, or when I first started to realize it to the end of my life, that's always gonna be what molds me. And that's um basically adversity. Every time you say adversity, I'm I'm hearing like affliction because it's it's put and you know, affliction. Uh affliction produces endurance, endurance produces um self-character, and then that produces hope. What do you say? Nothing. Proven character, I'm sorry. And then that produces hope.

SPEAKER_02 53:27

Four.

SPEAKER_01 53:29

Um, so that's gonna always it just, you know, that's what builds my character, basically. Adversity is what teaches me what how I need to.

SPEAKER_03 53:40

Kevin, can comfort become dangerous? We're talking uh complacency, yes. I'm telling you, that number 14 can get dangerous every time.

SPEAKER_04 53:50

McFly, can you grow without suffering?

SPEAKER_00 53:52

Um not substantially, yes, but I I feel like you need suffering in order to to understand, like kind of like you're saying, you can't know what joy is if you don't know what pain is because you you're gonna appreciate joy way more without you know with going through the other side.

SPEAKER_04 54:08

So you be the same person today without your hardest experience?

SPEAKER_01 54:12

No. No, wouldn't any without any of them.

SPEAKER_04 54:19

You sure?

SPEAKER_01 54:20

I'm positive.

SPEAKER_04 54:22

Adversity isn't always a blessing, but it can become an opportunity. An opportunity to discover what you are made of, an opportunity to leave what no longer serves you, an opportunity to create, rebuild, mature, heal, establish boundaries, and become more intentional. You may not have chosen the battle, but you still have a choice in what the battle produced. This has been episode 246 of the heavyweight collective. I'm your host, Mo Sharon. Maybe don't forget to like, share, subscribe, comment, all that shit. And until next time, go follow Sharon on social media.

SPEAKER_03 55:12

That's a rep, you know. That's that's how she wrote. So make sure, click like, subscribe, tune in.

SPEAKER_01 55:18

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